Mr. C Made It to the Meeting Between Hastings and Briggs in the Zone


In Episode 9, we learn Hastings has visited Major Briggs twice. In the second meeting, he recounts interference by a group of “others,” as he describes them. We know that many of those others are the Woodsmen, but there are still unanswered questions surrounding the events of Hastings’ second meeting.


Mr. C also showed up at the second meeting between Hastings and Briggs.

The Facts

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  • Ruth’s head has a large hole in it, as opposed to being broken into pieces

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  • Mr. C hires Chantal and Hutch to kill, Warden Murphy, Duncan Todd, and Dougie-Cooper.
  • Mr. C assigns Chantal to clean up after he murdered Darya.
  • Mr. C has Chantal and Hutch restore his health after being shot by Ray.
  • In Episode 9, Hastings recounts his memory of his meetings with Briggs to Agent Preston.

What Does It All Mean?

First, we need to show there was someone else at the meeting in addition to the Woodsmen. Lynch establishes their M.O. in Episodes 1, 2, 8, and 11. And the thing about the Woodsmen is, like Jack, they don’t seem capable of cogent communication. We only see one Woodsman talk at all: the “Gotta Light” guy in episode 8. And even he doesn’t seem capable of conversation; he only has two mantras that he repeats before walking off into the darkness. Based on this, it’s also unlikely that the Woodsmen themselves were the one’s asking Hastings for his wife’s name. Likewise, The Woodsmen kill people in a very specific way, and Ruth’s head was too intact to have been the handiwork of a Woodman.

So, Let’s count backwards as to who could’ve been at the meeting, and who could’ve asked Hastings for his wife’s name. We have:

  • Ray and Darya
  • Chantal or Hutch
  • Jack
  • The Woodsmen
  • Hastings himself
  • Mr. C


Ray and Darya

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In Episode 8, Ray is terrified by the Woodsmen coming to resurrect Mr. C. When he talks to Jeffries, he seems unsure about what they are or how they’re helping Mr. C. This is not the type of behavior you’d expect if he was at the meeting, where the Woodsmen would have been on his side.

Likewise, Mr. C seems suspicious of Ray and Darya before their call in the motel. While at dinner, Mr. C questions Ray multiple times, and seems skeptical of some of the things Ray says. During that dinner, Darya is staring at Ray the entire time, something Mr. C clearly notices, although he seems to tolerate it, and seems upset at Darya for telling Ray about his upcoming sabbatical. So it’s unlikely that he would trust them enough to take them into the portal and expose them to the ‘Zone.’


Chantal and Hutch

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These two are a wild card. We know Chantal is in Buckhorn around this time, and it’s clear Mr. C trusts them both immensely. When Mr. C’s at his lowest point, after being murdered by Ray, it’s Chantal and Hutch he turns to. It’s definitely possible that he sent Chantal or Hutch in to meet with the Woodsmen and intercept Bill and Ruth.



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Jack doesn’t seem to talk much. Based on his role, and lack of dialogue, I think we can safely rule him out.


Bill Hastings

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Could Bill have killed Ruth? It’s possible, but unlikely. If we take his story at face value, then he’s innocent, and it’s unlikely that he’s lying to the FBI (he’s a broken man by the time Agent Preston talks to him). However, he could have murdered her in some kind of fugue state brought on by the Woodsmen, or accidentally killed her and blotted out the memory.

It seems unlikely, however, that Bill killed Ruth even accidentally or absently. The hole in her head was huge, and resembled an exit wound through her eye (there was also dried blood on her cheek, implying she was shot from behind and fell forward, with her face in the pool of blood). Hastings doesn’t ever seem to have a gun, so the hole in her face would have had to be manually created by him. Not something you can do accidentally.

Finally, although there are a couple hours that are unaccounted for by Bill, he clearly remembers Ruth already dead before he blacks out. Again, he could be misremembering, but there are no other indications that what he’s saying is false, and the portal in the vacant lot verifies that at least most of it is true.


Mr. C

So we already know that there’s someone else in the meeting besides Briggs, Hastings, and the Woodsmen. We’ve narrowed this someone down to either Mr. C, or Chantal or Hutch.

Why Mr. C instead of his Wetworks crew? First, Mr. C doesn’t outsource his lodge-based activity. He personally oversees his Glass Box Project, visits Jeffries himself, and personally coordinates all the hits on Dougie-Cooper. He also personally manages the Tulpas he creates.

Second, Chantal and Hutch serve a specific purpose for Mr. C– they are his goto assassination and cleanup crew. He doesn’t expect them to exhibit any finesse. Intervening in Ruth and Hastings’ meeting with Briggs was sort of in their wheelhouse (it was a murder), but it involved a level of interpersonal communication that is unusual for them.

Third, it’s strongly hinted that Mr. C sleeps with Phyllis. In Episode 2, Bill yells at Phyllis that he knows about her affair with George, and “maybe with someone else, too.” Then, later in that same episode, Mr. C shows up unannounced in Phyllis’ house. An extremely intimidating figure, Mr. C would no doubt instill fear in anyone who found him in their house unexpectedly. Phyllis, however, seems happy to see Mr. C, acting as if they have a pre-existing relationship. Mr. C, therefore, asking Bill’s wife name, makes sense in this context– he likely slept with Phyllis to get close to Bill, and verifying Bill’s wife would be something Mr. C would do.

The Coordinates

There’s one outstanding question: If Mr. C was at that meeting, why didn’t he get the coordinates from Ruth’s arm? Well, this meeting takes in rural South Dakota on a late September Evening. Ruth would be wearing long sleeves, which would almost completely cover the numbers on her arm:

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You can see where the numbers are on her left forearm up to the base of her palm


But, if Ruth’s body ends up undressed (as we see it in episode 11), how could he miss the coordinates on her arm? The answer is that Mr. C wasn’t around when Ruth’s body was being disposed, although that’s for another post.


There’s no smoking gun that Mr. C was at the meeting with Briggs and Hastings. However, the evidence in favor of it is compelling, and there aren’t any other ready explanations that fit the details of the event in such a straightforward way.


Building Off This Post

Who Killed Ruth Davenport?


2 thoughts on “Mr. C Made It to the Meeting Between Hastings and Briggs in the Zone

  1. I live for these posts! I do not think cold and calculated Mr C would have to get verification from Hastings about his wife- he would already know. Also if he killed Ruth he would make sure he for those coordinates and maybe Ruth was undressed so as to check for them. There are so many assumptions. I have to rewatch. Thanks for another great article


    1. Thank you!
      I agree, asking for Hastings’ wife’s name is a little strange. It’s worth noting that this would be the first time Mr. C would have interacted with Hastings– if he was having an affair with Phyllis, he wouldn’t have ever seen her together with Bill, or if he did, it would be at a distance. Likewise, the only times he would see Bill, he would be with Ruth. Hasting’s doesn’t ever mention Ruth anywhere on his blog or in life (he claims not to really know her at all in episode 1), so it would make sense that Mr. C would want to cover his bases here and make sure this is actually the Bill Hastings he’s looking for.


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